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Showing posts with label craigslist. Show all posts
Showing posts with label craigslist. Show all posts

Saturday, April 21, 2018

Why Do Purebred Dogs Cost So Much?



First of all, the cost is not necessarily excessive when compared to other luxury items that have a similar upkeep cost… they are usually in the $1000–2000 range, but even a “free” dog is going to cost about $1000 to keep fed, etc. So owning a dog in general is going to cost you $10,000–15,000 over it’s lifetime. When you count in the decreased odds of major medical problems in a well bred purebred, the purebred can actually be the bargain (hip or elbow surgery? yeah, that’s going to be $1200–5000 to fix a congenital problem).

Second, it depends on what you want and need in a dog. For many pet homes, the average dog will dog. They don’t need a dog that is particularly talented or adept at any sort of thing - they don’t need a retriever or a herding or a guarder or even a more-than-normally tolerant pet. There are thousands of average dogs in shelters, if that is what you need, then go get one. But, if you need a dog that fits a specific set of traits beyond the normal “relatively good dog” stuff, then your best bet is to get a dog that has been bred for hundreds of years to do what you need it to do… and to shell out whatever it costs to get a dog from a breeder that can prove they are producing dogs that can do whatever it is well.

Third, purebred isn’t the be-all to end-all, there are poorly bred purebreds out there. If you’re going to bother to get a purebred, then you should bother finding a good breeder that can provide proof of pedigree, health testing, type and soundness (usually a conformation title), and working ability/instincts in the dogs they are breeding from and the dogs they are producing.

How is the cost of a puppy determined?
Show and hobby breeders usually charge the same amount for a puppy that they pay for a stud fee. So, if the stud fee is $500, then they will charge $500 for a puppy. This is a general guideline for most breeders, though there are always exceptions. Lots of titles are certainly nice, but health clearances, temperament, conformation, siblings and other offspring, and pedigree matter more for the parents of a litter than titles. A good dog who has wonderful brothers and sisters, with lots of good health clearances, is a better bet as a stud dog than a gorgeous dog with lots of titles from a poor family. The gorgeous dog is probably a fluke and less likely to pass along his good traits.

 A knowledgeable breeder will sometimes choose to breed to a dog who doesn’t even have a title if s/he feels the dog has some other important quality. But be sure you are dealing with a knowledgeable breeder and not someone who is simply tossing dogs together in order to avoid paying a stud fee. If you are calculating that breeders make lots of money with big litters, think again. A litter with lots of puppies means there are lots of mouths to feed to the age of 8, 10, or sometimes 12 weeks of age. Puppies need 3-4 meals per day of puppy food so feeding puppies is expensive. Even during the weeks when the mother dog is nursing the puppies, she needs lots of additional food to be able to nurse them. Add to this cost the cost of first and second shots, depending on the age the puppies leave the breeder. Vaccinations and worming for a litter of 10 puppies, for example, are not cheap.

Better breeders typically have health tests performed on their dogs prior to breeding such as hip and elbow x-rays and other tests recommended for their particular breed. These tests usually involve anesthesia, x-rays, blood work, screening by a veterinary panel, and other vet work. The cost for these tests, per dog, is usually hundreds of dollars so the breeder can be sure the dog is healthy.There are also tests involved for the male and female dog just prior to breeding to make sure they do not carry any sexually transmitted diseases; and often the breeder has progesterone tests and other lab work done on the female dog to be able to pinpoint the best time for breeding. Again, the costs of these tests adds up.

 In some cases breeders use artificial insemination so they don’t have to ship their female dog to the home of the male dog. Costs associated with artificial insemination are high but so, too, are the costs of sending a female dog across country to a suitable mate. A breeder can easily spend several thousand dollars for one breeding. And there is never any guarantee that the female dog will become pregnant. A breeder can spend a lot of money and have no puppies to show for it.

 So, for show and hobby breeders, breeding a litter of puppies is not exactly a money-making proposition, even when puppies are sold for high prices. These breeders are usually breeding in order to improve the breed and produce the best puppies so they can continue to show, hunt, or have the kind of dogs they need for their own hobby or work. They sell the remaining puppies to other show or hobby people and to pet homes, which helps to cover some of their costs. Most show and hobby breeders are lucky to break even when they breed a litter and sell the puppies they don’t keep.

Prices of Purebred Puppies
Prices for puppies from a show or hobby breeder can range anywhere from about $500 to around $3000, depending on the breed. Toy breed puppies often cost the most because they usually have small litters (sometimes with just 1 or 2 puppies in a litter). Breeds that are very popular for any reason can also cost more in California and on the west coast almost always cost more than in other parts of demand higher prices. If a breed is in demand and breeders have their phones ringing off the hook, prices will rise. However, there can be regional differences in puppy prices. . Breeders in New York, Chicago, and other metro areas often charge more. The cost of dog food, vet care, and other dog-related services are higher in these areas.

Before you buy any puppy you should talk to some good breeders who have the breed that interests you. Money should not be the primary focus of your conversations, but it is fair to ask how much they charge for puppies when they have them. You should also ask which health tests are normal for the breed, and what to look for in a good puppy. Don’t be surprised if you have to get on a waiting list to get the puppy you want from the breeder you like. Most show and hobby breeders don’t breed all the time so they don’t have puppies available year-round. Breeding is not their job. It’s something they do because they love the dogs. It’s better to build a good relationship with a good breeder you like and trust and wait a few months for the right puppy than to rush out and buy the wrong puppy. A good breeder will be there for you for your dog’s entire life, answering questions and helping you along the way.


In the end it is up to you whether or not you decide to purchase a purebred dog that will cost a pretty penny and may have health defects. My only concern is don't buy designer dogs or two purebred bred that produce a cross-bred litter. Sure maybe these are more genetically stable or hyper-allergenic but frankly your better off just getting a mixed mutt from the shelter. Costs less for the most part and the puppy is guarantee to have shots and are fixed so they don't contribute to the pet over-population and backyard breeding/puppy mills.

Saturday, January 10, 2015

Really.... Craigslist Puppy Posters...Just Stop


$150-$300 for a mutt puppy with no shots, no de-worming, no spay/neuter, no vet care what so ever yet the puppy(s) are still worth this because I had to take care of them, I want to make sure you can afford my puppy or I need the money to get the mother fixed.....

I am getting increasingly irritated and frustrated with people posting puppies for sale (which Craigslist does not allow fyi but people get away with it calling the payment a re-homing fee or adoption fee) and the people supporting this by buying from these greedy people.

The risk of buying these puppies?

The puppy could have or catch parvo, distemper, rabies, etc. and you end up with a $300 dead or sick puppy.
You may well be supporting a puppy mill, dog flipper, backyard breeder, etc.
You do not know the puppy's or the parents' health history and genetic background for all you know it can be riddled with genetic defects or disease.
You are contributing to the pet overpopulation by buying a unfixed puppy.
Sometimes people sell puppies way too young. 6 weeks old is too young! You will mess up a puppy socially and nutritionally doing this. Wait till they are at least 8 weeks old...12 weeks even better.

The puppy seller's thoughts?

None of your business! Yes it is when your selling sick puppies to unsuspecting people, possibly spreading disease, parasites and oh yeah adding to the pet overpopulation.

People keep buying so why not. Maybe you should tell people they are better off actually adopting a puppy from a animal shelter with full veterinary care and a health certificate  and supporting future homeless pets for the same price. If people were told the truth pretty sure they would have second thoughts.

But my mutt puppies have vet care! Sorry a mutt is still a mutt.... even if you just mix two different purebred dogs that are akc registered, etc. a mixed breed dog is just not worth $300.

The shelters charge just as much. At least that money goes to help other animals and not line your pockets you greedy person you ^_^

I need money to fix the momma dog. The most expensive veterinary would not charge much more then $300 for a spay. Let's see a average litter is about 6 puppies... $300 each..... something does not add up here....maybe should if thought about spaying you dog a long time ago....

I want to make sure people can afford to have a puppy. Well if you can't spay/neuter or get proper veterinary for the puppies, your just a hypocrite.

Well maybe I should just give them away for free. No never ever do that especially on Craigslist. Way to many shady people and puppy flippers. There should always be some sort of reasonable re-homing fee and if people ask questions do not lie and be forthcoming about every detail about each puppy i.e. if you took them to a vet have proof of paperwork or if they have absolutely no vet care which is very irresponsible you better tell every single prospective family the circumstances as of why you can't provide basic healthcare for a mutt puppy that the new family is expected to pay $300 for.

That's my rant have a wonderful day and be careful out there.

Sunday, August 17, 2014

Rehoming a Beloved Pet: Milo

I never thought it would come to it but unfortunately my family and I were forced to rehome our dog Milo just recently =( Due to some housing issues my family and I had to down grade from a home with a backyard to a apartment. Frankly I felt it was unfair for Milo to live in a small apartment, had him there for only a couple days and knew he was miserable. I ended up going through Craigslist to rehome him. Horrible I know. However really lucked out and he got a home with a young couple who already had a puppy and were looking for a slightly older dog to give some comfort to their new pup. Worked out great, checked with them a week later and they really enjoy having Milo.

Now I am really for the whole owning a pet should be a forever permanent thing. This whole experience really enlightened me. Sometimes life really can be unexpected. Things change for better or for worse. You just have to think really long and hard what is best for your pet. Milo was not a apartment dog. He needed a yard to romp around in. I feel like the best decision to made was to adopt him out to someone who has a yard and another dog for company. I found those people and am at peace with that decision.

Craigslist is not the best place to rehome your pet I know. I have tried other ways asking friends and family but no one was interested or just did not have the means to take in a dog. I did not have the heart nor did I want to take Milo to a animal shelter where he would be forced to sit in a cage alone. I went to Craigslist as a last resort. In the beginning I felt really bad but when I was contacted by a couple who genuinely wanted him I took a chance. I made sure there was a adoption contract and reasonable adoption fee to ensure a good home and to weed out the pet flippers and pet abusers. At this point and time I am relieved and happy that my family and I really did find a good home for Milo. I have no regrets and just keep on going.

Friday, March 14, 2014

Craigslist Warning. Yakima Dog Flipper/Puppy Mill.

If you live in the state of Washington and are looking for a puppy on craigslist please stay clear and avoid contacting the person(s) located in or around Yakima. This person has been id'ed as a puppy flipper, running a puppy mill and had been known to sell puppies sickened with the Parvovirus. This person(s) only care about making a profit and could care less about the well-being and health of their puppies. If you see a ad on Craigslist of this description immediately flag and report.This person posts litters of puppies daily please do not buy and support this despicable person financially.

Here are some comments about this person(s):


"It's interesting that these puppies that are located in YAKIMA COUNTY or within 30 miles of YAKIMA have phone numbers from DELAWARE, PASCO, WA & ABERDEEN WA and LAS VEGAS, NV.

*First of all if this person was honest and not a flipper she wouldn't be using so many different phone numbers, area codes and locations.

*Second, if she was an honest breeder she would be SELLING her puppies on her own website not trying to sell them on Craigslist under the guise of re homing.

*Third, she would not be posting the puppies numerous times a day. Sometimes deleting her own posts so she can re post and be at the top again and she would not have SO many different puppies.

*Last, if she wasn't a PUPPY FLIPPER she wouldn't have SO many different puppies posted daily. She has new puppies about every week.

Why doesn't she list her name and her real contact information? Who is she hiding from?
****BIG RED FLAG - FLIPPER/PUPPY MILL****

This YAKIMA PUPPY FLIPPER is the biggest flipper around. You can not believe any story she tries to spin. Many people are on to her now and flagging all her posts.

PLEASE HELP US TO FLAG THIS YAKIMA PUPPY FLIPPER OFF AND POST WARNINGS ABOUT HER!!"



I live in Yakima... (Seattle Tacoma)
I live in Yakima and have seen the post about the flipper from the Yakima Puppy Mill. I am completely confused why anyone would consider buying a puppy from these people. Maybe it's easy to look on CL and meet a stranger at a Mall or Walmart but please consider this I know this girl Danielle has been breeding and selling puppies for several years I have seen her post in several cities it appears she has many people working with her. I personally have posted warnings 6 months ago when I saw she was over here. Here is the deal she usually has around 40 to 50 dogs a month she charges 250 to 500 per puppy. She often sells the poor Mama dog in Yakima for 25 to 50 dollars. She breeds everything and anything she can get her hands on, she has had Parvo in Yakima. If she does give shots now they are from a feed store so be careful.She has made her living doing this for sometime she has recently had a deaf husky mix and one that was vision impaired but fails to say that in her post. I have seen her post a ad and than switch it's breed and price. She is a criminal in every sense of the word ( trust me) If you are unsure if you are dealing with her call the phones it's a high pitch auto voice that says HI YOU HAVE REACHED .... I will tell you she has 90% of the puppies over here. Please don't support this mills our pet problem is caused from these individuals that just don't care. The pups suffer and people are getting scammed. Every time she sells a puppy it keeps her going to keep breeding and flipping. If you buy a pup you are supporting these individuals habits please get off CL and check out shelters, rescues, check Petsmart, Petco for puppies that really need to be adopted!"



Here are some tips if you are thinking about "adopting" a puppy on Craigslist or "rehoming" your pet on Craigslist:

You've probably heard of house flipping:
House flipping: Flipping is a term used primarily in the United States to describe purchasing a revenue-generating asset and quickly reselling (or "flipping") it for profit. Though flipping can apply to any asset, the term is most often applied to real estate.
But have you heard of dog flipping?
When someone steals or dog-naps a dog and then sells it, on Craigslist for example, to make a profit - that's dog flipping.
It's a problem that's growing in the Northwest, and there are some precautions you can take to make sure you're not a victim of a scam.
It happened in Monroe last year, when a teenage girl allegedly sold a 3-month-old puppy over Craigslist for $250. She was supposed to be puppy-sitting while the dog's owner was out of town. Fortunately, that story had a happy ending and the puppy was returned to her owner.
Before it's too late, here's how you can spot the signs, and protect your dog from becoming a victim of dog flipping:
Ask to come over and see the pet.
You should do this anyway, Seattle DogSpot's Robert Pregulman told It's Raining Cats & Dogs on KIRO Radio, but seeing how a dog interacts with an owner is important. They may not have had the dog for very long and it may seem particularly stand-offish or afraid.
Ask to see photos of the dog as a puppy.
If the person selling the dog owned the dog, they will probably have a cache of photos of their adorable pooch.
Tell the prospective seller you'd like to take the dog to the vet and get them scanned for a microchip.
The IRCAD crew agrees that a reliable, or aboveboard person that's trying to sell a dog on Craigslist won't have a problem with this request. If the person has stolen the dog, they won't like the idea, and that will raise one of the biggest red flags. If the dog has a microchip, the vet will find it.
Ask for veterinary records.
If you're adopting a dog from someone who has owned the pet for some time, they should have records of vet visits.
Be sure to Microchip your pet.
Microchipping your pet means that if they fall into the hands of someone hoping to dog flip them, they will be more easily returned to you.
Don't leave your dog unattended.
Dogs have been reported stolen when tied up on a bike rack outside of a bar, near a grocery store when an owner is running errands - and the scariest, from your own backyard. If you can ever help it, don't leave your dog outside by herself. 
If you think you've found someone that's trying to flip a dog, you can check with shelters and the Humane Society in your community for updated lists on lost pets. If someone's dog has been stolen, they're probably looking for it. Many local vets will keep updated lists of lost pets on their sites too, and you can use these resources to help reunite pets with their dog-moms and dog-dads.

So all in all be careful when trying to find a puppy on Craigslist and/or rehoming your beloved pet. Craigslist attracts some shady people so do your research and please do not trust anyone. Just cause someone as a sob story or a inviting smile does not make them a good person......

Monday, December 16, 2013

Beware of Puppy Flippers and Scammers on Craigslist!



So lately here I have been lurking on the Seattle Craigslist community pets classified ads and have found nonstop comments about puppy flippers and scammers. Unfortunately I have noticed the "trend" as well, personally spotting several ads that are suspicious and obviously not following the craigslist rules.

Craigslist rules specifically state pet sales, sale of animal parts and stud service are prohibited! A small re-homing fee is allowed. The norm for a small re-homing fee is set at $150 or less. Anything more can be and in my opinion is considered a pet sale. In which case I see a lot of re-homing fees placed at $300 and that's for a unpapered, unfixed, unvaccinated puppy  maybe given some OTC de-wormer and no proof of proper veterinary care. That is completely unsafe and unreasonable. You are better off paying a $300 adoption fee to a shelter at least the puppy would be vaccinated, fixed and have a full health check-up. I'm sorry but if you have a litter of puppies and are trying to "find them homes"with a re-homing fee over $150 (or even at that specific amount if your trying to comply with craigslist rules) you can be considered a backyard breeder.

There is no such thing as a "accidental litter". You are responsible for your dog. It is irresponsible to knowingly let your unfixed dog run around in the vicinity of another dog that is not fixed and assume you will find good homes for a unwanted litter or you are just one of those greedy people wanting to make a profit without considering the well-being of each individual puppy . You are simply adding to the overpopulation of homeless animals. There is no excuse that's that.

Now onto more heartbreaking matters. It seems like every where I look I keep hearing stories about people buying puppies off craigslist, taking them home and coming to find out there pup has Parvo or some other life-threatening illness and dying a few days later. I feel for the devastated families whom have to deal with this. I don't blame them I blame the uncaring people whom sold them the dog. These puppies often come from backyard breeders or puppy mill operations whom in which only care about making profits and could care less about the health and well-being of each individual dog.

Here are some tips from PAWS you need to know:


Animals in puppy mills are treated like cash crops

  • They are confined to squalid, overcrowded cages with minimal shelter from extreme weather and no choice but to sit and sleep in their own excrement.
  • Animals suffer from malnutrition or starvation due to inadequate or unsanitary food and water.
  • Sick or dying animals receive little or no veterinary care.
  • Adult animals are continuously bred until they can no longer produce, then destroyed or discarded.
  • Kittens and puppies are taken from their mothers at such an early age; many suffer from serious behavior problems.

Look for these red flags:

  • The seller has many types of purebreds or "designer" hybrid breeds being sold at less than six weeks old.
  • Breeders who are reluctant to show potential customers the entire premises on which animals are being bred and kept.
  • Breeders who don't ask a lot of questions of potential buyers.
  • No guarantees-responsible breeders make a commitment to take back the pet at anytime during the animal's life, no matter the reason.

Help stop the suffering by taking these steps:

  1. Be a responsible, informed consumer-if you do buy from a breeder, go to a reputable one who: 
    • Will show you where the dogs spend their time and introduces you to the puppy's parents.
    • Explains the puppy's medical history, including vaccines, and gives you their veterinarian's contact info.
    • Doesn't have puppies available year-round, yet may keep a waiting list for interested people.
    • Asks about your family's lifestyle, why you want a dog, and your care and training plans for the puppy.
    • Doesn't use pressure sales tactics.
For more information check out: http://www.paws.org/puppy-mills.html

If you even think or question a pet ad is a scam or looks suspicious it more then likely is one. Most scammers take images from the internet and give very little information about the dog they are trying to sale. Never give out any personal information no matter how much you may want a specific animal the scammer is trying to advertise it is a ploy to scam you. Simply ignore and report immediately.

Report all suspected puppy flippers and scammers to Craiglist immediately so the ad can be removed. Simply click the suspected as and then click prohibited or spam.

All and all be careful when buying a pet on Craigslist.  There is always that small chance you get tricked into buying a sick puppy or kitten and regret it later when that puppy dies or you end up spending hundreds if not thousands of dollars in veterinary care. All I can say is you are better off adopting a puppy or kitten at a shelter. Not only will you be saving a life but you will be getting a healthy, spayed/neutered and possibly micro-chipped pet. As the saying goes "DON'T SHOP, ADOPT."


Sunday, November 24, 2013

Pet Toy Ideas

All pets need some sort of toy to keep them occupied and stimulated when no one is home. The more stuff they have to play with the less likely the furniture, your clothing items, your home in all its entirety becomes their personal chew toys or playground. Toys can be homemade or bought at any store that sells pet products.

Where to find store bought pet toys?

Petsmart
Petco
Pet Stores
Farm and Feed Stores
Walmart
Kmart
Target
Amazon
Ebay
Craigslist
Local grocery stores


What types of toys are there?

Kongs
Rubber bones
Stuffed animals
Balls
Tug toys
Catnip toys
Rubber tires (pet safe!)
Toy on a stick/string
Motorized toy
Squeaky toys
Chew toys


What to make homemade toys out of?
Cardboard, sticks/wood, stuffed animals, blankets, ropes, etc. You can pretty much use anything and make anything as long as you make sure your pet can't swallow or choke on the homemade toy or get tangled up in it. Always think safety first!

So make your pet happy today and go buy some toys or make some homemade ones =) Your pet will thank you.

Thursday, November 14, 2013

Craigslist Pets: Get Lucky on Craigslist

I have a love, hate relationship with the craigslist pet section. I love it because this is how I found my little Milo =) I met the military wife/mother in a public park. She was very nice and told us why she couldn't keep him due to a move overseas. I kept her number to give her updates and she was sweet enough to mail me Milo's (Rex at that point and time) veterinary paperwork with proof of shots, microchip and neuter plus all the tags that came with it. This woman genuinely care about this puppy and I thank her for letting me give Milo a home. I did pay a fee nothing outrageous....$100...which frankly all his health paper work included I'm not complaining I'm lucky to have little Milo.

However unfortunately not all people on craigslist are has sweet and honest has this nice lady. A lot of people on craigslist simply want to make a profit by selling mutt dogs with no shots, under 8 weeks of age, not fixed, no veterinary care whatsoever other then maybe some dewormer for $300 or more. This is nuts!

I have heard horror stories of people buying puppies and then dying days later due to parvo or some other untreated illness. This is not right. These sort of people selling sick puppies do it to make money and could care less about the well-being of the dog or feelings of the person who has to go through the heart ache of seeing a dying puppy.
Then there is the dreaded "puppy flipper". These inconsiderate, low-lifes pick up puppies for cheap and then try to flip them for a profit. It's all about money and once again these people don't care about the well-being of the dog.

If your going to re-home your pet make sure they are up-to-date on shots and are fixed. Ask for a small re-homing fee of $150 or less. Never give your pet away for free!  There are some sick people out there who pick up free animals and just abuse them or use them as bait for dog fighting. Abide by craigslist rules about re-homing your pet otherwise you will get flagged continuously and relentlessly.

All in all craigslist is a iffy place to re-home your pet. Your better off going through a no-kill shelter or even a Facebook group made specifically for re-homing pets. If your going to buy a pet off craigslist do your research. If the person cannot provide veterinary paperwork then you are better off not buying from that person. Don't support these backyard breeders and puppy flippers! Please be careful and good luck  on your pet search.

If you can always try a registered non-profit animal shelter/rescue first. There are so many great shelter animals desperately in need of homes!